Pissing Off The Religions

Hi Manoj, I don’t disagree that there are many good, moderate Christians who do a lot of good. And oh, I am not leaving Hindus or Muslims or Jews or any other followers of organized religion. You see, even if the average Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Jew or whatever, doesn’t do much harm, they contribute to the madmen! They should be aware of their contribution. Those same average religious people are fueling the flames of the nutjobs like Al Qaeda and the fundamentalists. And the Hindus – we have the RSS and the righteous groups that will maim, gang rape, murder, vandalize & destroy in the name of Ram, Shyam, Krishna, Shiva and their numerous other buggers! But the average temple going dude contributes to the godmen, the fakirs, the priests, the swamis and the political parties who hide AK-47s in temples & molest alterboys and unsuspecting devotees alike.

Just like you said it isn’t fair to print this on Christmas as its their holiday and special day, they SHOULD think of the atrocities committed in the name of their god of peace & love. And they should be ashamed. As should you. As should I.

I’m not done. I know very little of the Jews since my scope of interaction with them is very little but they too should be ashamed. Its them vs the rest of the world. Their private warfare against what an asshole called Hitler and his minions did before & during the 2nd World War.

The rest of the world isn’t a target for Muslims who think they have been violated everytime someone else does something that isn’t agreed upon in the Koran. Muslim fundamentalist morons, think – your book, paper, versus a human being. Which is more important. The human ofcourse, your book doesn’t even matter.

Satisfied that I pissed off the Muslims as well?

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First understand that we are all humans. Nothing more. Any other label that we have is superficial. Its the only thing that binds us. We should be attacked by a superior Alien race before we ever learn. Perhaps them all mankind will unite as one and beat them (without Will Smith’s crass dialouges or sappy American sentiment, lol)! Or maybe they will annihilate us easily and in their victory celebrations they will toast the non-exisistant entities that leaned the balance of the war against us in their favour – the gods & the religions!

10 thoughts on “Pissing Off The Religions

  1. I get what you are saying, but look at it this way – atheism is, in a roundabout way, exactly the same as an organized religion. By choosing not to believe in any sort of God, you are making a personal choice – but then to lambast anyone who believes in their God (because of something bad that has been done by others in that God’s name) – how is that different from the people that you were criticizing? Aren’t you trying to spread you belief (or lack thereof) to others?

    Don’t get me wrong – I don’t believe in organized religion either – there are far too many people committing atrocities, and making money – all in the name of religion. I choose not to go to temples or churches, and I believe what I choose to believe. I don’t try to convert anyone to my way of thinking, and if anyone asks me, I am more than happy to tell them why I feel the way that I do.

    The purpose of my post was not to get you to “diss” other religions. Your lack of love for religion is already well known The point that I was trying to make – or rather the two points that I was trying to make were as follows:

    1. I just felt that it was poor taste to attack Christians at Christmas. Whether you agree with it or not, it is supposed to be a time of peace and goodwill. Neither of those were part of your post. Asking Christians to be ashamed of the bad things that are committed in the name of Christ isn’t in anyway a reasonable request. Using that logic, nobody could celebrate anything, because when you break down the religious and social constructs of our society, there have been bad people across the whole spectrum. So where does that leave us?

    2. Balance your opinions – you seem to be hitting only the negatives, and that comes across (in my interpretation, which is not the only way that it can be taken) as a rant or a rave as opposed to a well thought out opinion. That’s what I was trying to say.

    You have to realize that there are so many religious people out there that don’t contribute to the “fake” religious people, but who give money to charities that look after orphans, the homeless, the abused. That is something that is admirable – whether you agree with the people behind it or not. Maybe some of them are bringing this relief with a price – a religious one. Maybe not all of them are above board either. However, it seems a little unfair to tar them all with the same brush. That would be similar to saying that all Muslims are bad because of the extremists in the world. I don’t agree with such statements because blanket statements cannot be applied to so large an audience. As we get older, and interact with other people from different backgrounds, religions and faiths (or lack thereof), we have a better understanding of how life is. If you choose not to believe in God, then good for you – that is your choice. But – don’t put down those folks that choose to believe – just because you don’t. That is the same attitude that the extremists take. Kind of makes you an extremist atheist See what I am getting at?

    For many people, faith is something that helps them get through life. In the same sentiment, it seems that your faith in your belief that there cannot be any sort of God, and that we are all just human beings keeps you going too.
    Even if there was only one religion – or maybe none at all, there would still be a reason for people to fight and abuse and murder each other. That’s just how human beings are. Free will and all that.

    As to whether I feel ashamed at what either Hindus or Christians have done in the name of religion – no I don’t. I feel ashamed that a human being could have done that. When I think of what happened at Virginia Tech not so long ago, my thought wasn’t “How could a Christian boy have done that?” – it was more along the lines of “How could any human do something like that?”.

    Dude, it is common knowledge that man is the most cruel of all animals. That cruelty is not dependent upon religion. Most people who get caught use (or try to use) religion as an “excuse”.

    Once again, my intent was not to ask you to attack all religions. I just chose to ask about what I felt was poor timing. I know that you hate all religions equally, but that wasn’t how your post came across. I’m not a Christian, but I’ve been to church, and sang Christmas Carols with the school choir – and I don’t believe that by doing that it makes me in any way less of a human being than you. We differ in our opinions, but I will not accept that someone’s religion (or lack of religion) makes them better than me. I just don’t judge people on that level. Maybe, just maybe, neither should you )

    Think about it.

    Oh, and I COMPLETELY agree with what Jim said – Imagine would be the blueprint for Utopia. It’s just a shame that it will never come to pass – at least not in my lifetime.

    Happy New Year!

  2. 1) I am not trying to spread anything except the fact that religion is faulty. And the concept of a God, the way it is thought of in all the religions is rediculous. Let them believe it if they want to but don’t push it my face and don’t bomb others. I have never tried to ‘convert’anyone to atheism but I hate it when any religious person belittles me when they learn that I am an atheist. And also, you cannot convert anyone to atheism. It is natural, so you can’t convert to it. You just are.
    2) To say that it is not fair for me to write that – what is my audience anyway, 20 people at the most? Even if it were more than that, I still feel that it was appropriate to do so on Christmas and infact on each & every day.
    3) It is a RANT against all such religions as I am tired of them.
    4) The average person does contribute Manoj, whether he is aware of it or not. The guy who believes in a God, whichever, and does not participate in any religious function, place of worship, deity or godmen does not contribute! Yes – but he/she is not your average religious person.
    5)And I don’t think that going to a church or a temple or a mosque makes U a less person than I am. I never said that. But because I don’t go to a church, temple or mosque, it doesn’t make me a lesser person. It makes me – just a person. No lable or religious tags attached.
    6) I was n’t only targetting the Christians. I just started thinking of it during the Christmas eve and therefore I blogged about it. Next Id if I get inspired, you can expect something similar from me.
    7) I repeat, I don’t think a person is lesser than me for believing in a religion or a god. I never said that and never will. Most of my friends beleieve in a god or some sorts. Many have tried to convert me. But i haven’t tried to convert them, other than possibly saying a joke or two. So please don’t think that.
    You know for a fact (or if you forgot or unaware, let me refresh you) that in most cases I have had to struggle with being an open atheist in almost all aspects of society or family life. I have had to bear the comments & lectures. So I just venting it out. It is a rant, and I feel like I have a right to do so.
    9) And Jim is right, Imagine! I disagree that we would still murder, fight or kill if there were no religions – there wud still be some but not on such a grand scale. However we would be better people.

  3. Oh and the religion debate rears its ugly head again! Roshan, u have always been an atheist. And that is your right. Just as it is everybody else’s right to defend their choice to be religious or not. But lambasting all religions is kinda unfair. What happened to live and let live? Yes you are entitled to ur opinions. But i dont necessarily agree with your statement ‘You see, even if the average Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Jew or whatever, doesn’t do much harm, they contribute to the madmen. Religion is meant to be peaceful, by nature. Sure there are fanatics, but just because some people do harm in the name of religion doesnt necessarily mean that everyone who has religious beliefs contribute to that. There are plenty of muslims that disagree with alqaeda and the talebans beliefs. I have muslim friends that have explained to me the difference between their religion and their culture. Nowhere in the koran does it say that women should be iltreated. Yet the acceptance of this il-treatment is what the culture seems to portray.

    Im not pro any religion myself, i am by birth a hindu, but like Manoj, having been brought up in a christian country most of my life, i have attended church, and i have sung in the choir in church. It wasnt so much a christian thing .. more that i liked singing. Thats why i did it. But as a result of that, i know more christian hymns that i know anything about hinduism. But regardless of all that, i believe that religion is a choice. Sure, extremists force their religious views on their children who then have no option but to confirm. But we arent talking about religious fanatics here. We are talking about ordinary people who have faith in God, whatever name they choose to give that God.

    ‘Just like you said it isn’t fair to print this on Christmas as its their holiday and special day, they SHOULD think of the atrocities committed in the name of their god of peace & love. And they should be ashamed. As should you. As should I.’

    WHY?? You cant change the past! Why should i be ashamed of something that an indian or a hindu has done in the past which was way beyond my control? Sure i can sympathise with atrocities committed in the name of religion, but i would sympathise with atrocities committed PERIOD. You cant generalise with most things in life.

    Be it the various religious fanatics, or the extreme atheists, the problem is this… people need to respect other religions, as well as atheists. Your beliefs matter to you, and i respect that. But i dont think its fair that u hold everyone who has religious beliefs responsible for anything and everything that takes place in the name of religion. We dont live in a perfect world. There is good and bad. Live and let live. Those who do wrong, be it in the name of religion will get whats coming to them. What goes around comes around. But have u ever considered the famous saying… If there were no God, there would be no atheists?!

    Religion ….. to me… is all about being a good person. Simple as! It has nothing to do with belonging to a particular religion, although i can see how that can strengthen people’s beliefs and they have a sense of belonging. So much good has happened in the name of religion.. maybe we should focus on that for a while.

    To YOU I’m an atheist; to God, I’m the Loyal Opposition – Woody Allen

  4. Hi Sandhya, granted that there are many peace loving religious people who wouldn’t harm a fly. Granted that they are mostly good people. But they pave the path for the religious fundamentalists. And yes those religions do cause the most misery that we have known. God & religion is the biggest cause of deaths in this world and there’s more to come. Now,

    Religion to you is all about being a good person? To me, being a good person is all what life is about. I don’t need a deity to tell me that. There’s so many books, movies, websites, seminars & functions telling you about the good of god & the religions – let this humble weblog be a place to give you the other side!

    You say if there were no god, there would be no atheists? You are rights! If there were no god, we would all just be called…..humans. Each and everyone of us.

    Live and let live! Its a cliche but a good one. Alright I’m willing to do that and not just say it. But please stop killing us in the name of those gods! Then we can live & let live.

    The reason I say that we should be ashamed of the sins & atrocities being committed in the name of religion & the almighty kahuna is this – learn from it and never let it happen. But it isn’t in the distant past, Sandhya, ts happening right now.

    Now cousin, you know me very well. All I want is peace, good food, friends all around, a pretty girl in my life, some vodka, the internet, football & nhl on tv , rock music playing 24/7 and maybe a little weed once in a while? A healthy family, no hunger or thirst, no homeless, no illness, no deaths, no famine, no wars, no killing, no looting, no accidents, no hardships. Humans as one exploring the earth, the oceans, and protecting our animals. Maybe finally get space exploration going big time, check the nearby planets, find some friendly aliens and visit other worlds. Sounds good? Yeah, I dream about it every night. Only things standing in the way – you guess it…

    G-O-D & RELIGION

  5. Not to push this topic any further, but I think that you are generalizing far too much. We will always differ on some of the things that you write about, and I personally feel that you have to get out and meet more people from around the world. There are many pre-conceived notions that I have lost after meeting people from other parts of the world.

    Dude – at the end of the day, if someone is able to keep religion in their life without doing any harm, then how does it affect you? You seem to have this magical link which states that if someone worships in their chosen religion, then they directly sponsor those folks that perform vile acts in the name of that religion. It’s never that simple. A man may put $5 on the collection plate at his church in NY, and that $5 may end up being given to a homeless man to buy some food. How can that be a bad thing.

    The world that you are looking for is called Utopia – and while it sounds like a good idea, it doesn’t exist. Life is what we make of it – and it is up to us to find the good in life wherever we can. For some it is via religion – for others, it is by adamantly not believing in any religion – like you. The difference here is simple – by making blanket statements that anyone religious is contributing to acts of violence and evil in the name of that religion borders on absurdity. You make comments about us being human beings first – keep that in mind then next time that you read about someone doing wrong. When I read the news, and hear about some guy killing people – for example – the deranged guy at Virginia Tech – religion never played any part in my thought process. I never once decided to myself that because the guy is a Christian or a Buddhist (or whatever he was) – that is why he did what he did. Religion is irrelevant. As human beings – we commit atrocities. Some of us “claim” that we did it in “the name of religion”. However, many things that are done have no basis or foundation in that religion. It’s just how people choose to interpret something – and yes – it is wrong – but that doesn’t make religion wrong, or make people who are religious in any way bad. Sure, people commit atrocities in the name of religion – but they are not alone. Human beings are the most cruel species on this planet, as we are the only one who will kill for entertainment.

    When I look at you – my flesh and blood, and list the things about you that come to mind – your atheism doesn’t even register. I personally don’t go to temples out of choice – but I do pray to God. I don’t believe that Hindu Gods are the only Gods out there – I feel that there is a greater power, and that different people call him/her by different names. Hey – to each his/her own.

    Looking at your response to Sandhya’s post, there is something that I would like to point out. If you look at what you have posted, and both of our replies, you will see one major difference.

    You are saying that atheism is the way, and that all religion (and those that follow) is bad. While the both of us refute that claim, neither of us say that atheism is bad. Why? Well, mostly because that doesn’t really matter. We are not knocking atheism – just objecting to your blanket comments about religion and people that choose a religion.

    Dude, at the end of the day, we are each individual human beings. We each have the ability to make a choice. Some make good ones, and others make bad ones. Beliefs are all about the individual. At the end of the day, believe in what you want to – don’t accept crap from people who knock you because of your beliefs – but at the same time don’t knock people for their beliefs either. A simple man who worships Islam in California is not responsible for what Al Qaeda did on September 11th. Thinking like that is just prejudice – plain and simple. Live and let live. That’s the best way forward!

    Happy New Year Cuz!

  6. Here are some nice comments from George Carlin – you should try and see one of his shows – the guy is awesome:

    I’m completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.

    Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money.

    Have you noticed that most of the women who are against abortion are women you wouldn’t want to fuck in the first place? There’s such balance in nature.

    So I say, “Live and let live.” That’s my motto. “Live and let live.” Anyone who can’t go along with that, take him outside and shoot the motherfucker. It’s a simple philosophy, but it’s always worked in our family.

    The real reason that we can’t have the Ten Commandments in a courthouse: You cannot post “Thou shalt not steal,” “Thou shalt not commit adultery,” and “Thou shalt not lie” in a building full of lawyers, judges, and politicians. It creates a hostile work environment.

    The only good thing ever to come out of religion was the music.

    Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    I have as much authority as the Pope. I just don’t have as many people who believe it.

  7. I think I have seen a bit of George Carlin on tv a few times. I will check him out on youtube soon.

    A few things I want to point out – Manoj, I don’t think that humans will have much to fight about if there were no religions at all. There would still be fighting, murder, rape, looting & war if there only one religion because there would still be people who believe in a god.

    I know that the average dude can give 5 bucks to a temple or a church and it be used to fed a homeless orphan. But it is more likely also feeding the power hungry fundamentalists. So its better and safe to give it to an orphanage straight away.

    And atheists can be bad people or do harm. Stalin or Mao for example. But they didn’t kill or destroy in the name of atheism they did it for other purposes. Atheism has never created a war.

    And let me tell you, I am sick and tired of religion being all around me. Of having people raise their eyebrows anywhere when it happens to come out that I am an atheist. I don’ have to defend myself but that’s what it seems like when the so called peace loving and live & let live god fearing and god loving religious people try to antagonize me with their really dumb questions. Atleast come up with some good ones people!

    Every aspect of life, especially in India revolves around religion in one form of the other. That’s what I don’t like about it. It sickens me.

  8. I see a lot of misunderstanding about atheists.

    Telling people atheism is a belief system is a big one. Its rather demeaning and insulting to most atheists. Yet I hear theists say it all the time. I’m sorry but a lack of a belief system is not a belief system. Tell me how you think a Christian would feel if I went around defining their belief system based on their lack of belief in Zeus or any other Greek god.

    Many religious people I’ve met seem to think atheists are interesting in converting people. I don’t. On a personal level, I don’t WANT anyone to be an atheist. If people’s belief systems make them feel better, comfort them over the death of a loved one, etc., why would I want to take that away from them?

    Usually when I see an atheist jump out of the woodwork and go on a rant, there’s triggers for it. A popular one is admiring beauty in nature. A theist posts a picture and comments “Isn’t it beautiful? Lets marvel in the beauty that God created.” or something along those lines. The person obviously means well but they’ve now injected their beliefs in there. Which is not only demeaning to atheists, its also demeaning to anyone else who has a differing religion.

    Atheists usually get slammed a lot in the morality department too. How many times have I heard “Well atheists are that way because they don’t want to follow Gods Laws” or other things insinuating I don’t have a belief or morality structure.

    As a matter of fact I feel I have a very strong system of morals and values. I base them on reason and fact. When I give my word I uphold it. I try to maintain honesty. I don’t need to be tempted by heaven or threatened by hell to keep these values.

    When it comes to people’s belief systems, I personally think we should all just keep it in our heads. If I’m interested, I will ask. Otherwise, leave it out. If someone treats me with that kind of respect, we will be fast friends. If they keep getting in my face trying to get Jesus to save me, I will turn around and remind them their book glorifies smashing the babies of the enemy up on rocks.

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